Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Adagio, Jun 27, 2021. Most but not all lacquers used to press promos (A, G,D and H) went on to be used to press the commercial release. "Scarborough Fair" sounds better in mono, but the rest of the "PSRT" album is killer in stereo. WiththeStereo edition, different principles seem to apply. Miles Davis - The Original Mono Recordings - Amazon.com Music Apparently it is the one that Miles Davis actually approved and gave input on. It has cleverly placed itself between the high-end audiophile labels, whose LPs can be very pricey, and the cheap low-end labels, whose noisy pressings can sound like bacon frying. Not just the . A possibly dumb question about reprocessed stereo and mono switches The 50th Anniversary issue is a pretty blue color! I have several stereo copies of this record, my preference is the Classic Records1995 issue. None were found 1A,1B or 1C, ( which are found only on the commercial release). Stereo promos leapfrog the expected alphabetic progression jumping fromE (5th cutting) to AE (16th cutting). Stereo Audio Files. However, stereo tracks send two different channels, one for each speaker. I believe the distortion you are hearing is the mute on Miles' trumpet. the site simply writes whatever their advertisers tells them to, so just follow the recommendations given by your fellow forum members. Kind of Blue sounds about the same as the stereo CDs, because it's mixed down from the same 3-track tape (the mono masters are, by some accounts, worn out; by other accounts, missing). It follows more or less the overall Columbia evolution Guaranteed High Fidelity becoming MONO (white print); and STEREO first in black print then white print. Instrumental timbers are natural and textures rich. So, would you consider the stereo "unfolded"? I'm not sure which transfer, mix and master the mono mix on HDTracks is, but I just ordered myself a copy of the limited edition mono vinyl only a couple days ago. Regarding vinyl it is felt that the 2014 mono vinyl release is the sane way to go if you want the best sound up til the White album. Seven of these albums - 'Round About Midnight, Miles Ahead (both 1957), Milestones (1958), Porgy And Bess, Kind Of Blue (both 1959), Sketches Of Spain (1960) and Someday My Prince Will Come (1961) - are familiar classics which saw Miles rise to prominence as an architect of the hard bop style of jazz before revolutionizing the genre with ventures These command a significant price premium at auction. Should the Miles mono reissues ideally be played with a mono cart? Who knows? Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" Monophonic Reissue From Sony/Legacy: An Analog Planet Exclusive! Hi michael, Do you know about Music on vinyl in EU. If the covers were merely manufactured centrally at Indianapolis and supplied to Bridgeport for the promo pressing, why is there both 4 and 2, AND 6. But most importantly, the music experience is complete and organically "whole," making a strong case for the superiority of the mono mix. you can buy a dream or two - see you in the blue! I just received my RSD numbered copy today and it has the same feel as my original pressing. All Blues is a series of five scales, each to be played as long as the soloist wishes until he has completed the series. And, as a personal taste, I prefer orchestral recordings Porgy , Sketches , and Miles Ahead , all done with Gil Evansspread out. Only one -1A/ -1B/ or -1Cstereo six-eye was found, claimed as mythical 1B/1B of which I am highly sceptical. but failed to notice the CBS overprint and absence of deep groove. 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The tracklisting sequence error went uncorrected on the jacket for a further three decades, though some sellers confuse the label error and the cover error suggest the error on the cover is somehow proof of original provenance. La version stro belle la vitesse dite rectifiee' Les cinq titres en version mono une decouverte pour moi. Beatles 2022 Revolver Mono in the box: stereo jacket? | Steve Hoffman http://www.analogplanet.com/content/miles-davis-kind-blue-monophonic-reissue-sonylegacy-analog-planet-exclusive. Nor are they sold at gunpoint. The Mono Box from 2009 was not cut from pristine LP masters. The stereo playback from the original masters was eerie. Macero didn't produce Kind of Blue, Irving Townsend did. Yes, Columbia switched to the RIAA curve in the mid-fifties. Based in Holland, Music On Vinyl uses the Record Industry plant in Haarlem the largest surviving vinyl pressing plant in Europe and one of the top three in terms of quality, along with Pallas and Optimal in Germany. The three-track recording produced three distinct channels and nothing you could legitimately call "stereo". Simon & Garfunkel Mono Vs Stereo Discussion : r/vinyl - Reddit The label correction is believed to have taken place around November 1959, on the instruction of Teo Macero (hat tip Enrico!). I am not convinced the first stereo pressings followed the 1A/ 1B/ 1C/ route at all. Even *if* Macero had been involved, any changes he would have made would have been at the mix stage, not the recording stage. A,B and C could have manufactured the lot. The suffix -1B is visible on mono Side 1 and seller described both sides 1B/1B. LP review by Andrew Cartmel). On Blood on the Tracks the speed up was also done intentionally, and Teo Macero was known for his fiddling with the tapes, without him Bitches Brew would have come into being. Or are they some digital combinaison? Unfortunately, the Kind of Blue mono master tape no longer exists. 1AL/1A, 1AK/1A and 1AC/1A, 1AC/1B 1AE/1B), all with corrected Side 2 listing. (The fault in the tape recorder which caused this had been corrected by the time of the second session in April.) This is specially true for master tapes that are over 30 years old and are not the holly grail many believe them to be. The four variations are offset pairs eg 1D/1H and 1H/1D.With D, G and H, and each letter is found as Side 1 and Side 2. Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (2013, 180 Gram, Vinyl) - Discogs The importance of wires, auditioning methods and othertips. 2001-2023 Head-Fi.org. Though many different permutations eventually occured, almost half of all mono copies were pressed from only three laquers: D, J, and AE. P.S. They should be booted out. Now I'm curious if I should drop more cash on 'Round About Midnight Columbia Mono they just released. Been dying for a decent mono version of KOBE since I got into jazz about a year ago. A surprising number of audiophiles don't even know what is the difference between mixing and mastering, let alone how a well-recorded album differs from a well-mastered one. It's truly stupid for vinyl sellers like Insound.com to sell those things. For more information, please see our Mix - Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Vinyl LP Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Cannonball Adderley, and more Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (FULL MONO LP. The Music On Vinyl label turns out beautifully packaged LP reissues on high quality vinyl. Analog Planet is a Stereophile owned Web side and as such cannot be trusted for an unbiased opinion, i.e. Since the mono tapes apparently no longer exist, recent monophonic reissues (yes, some people do prefer mono) were created by mixing down the three tracks on the backup stereo master to a single track. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Also, I've known a few people who bought one and then later upgraded when the used-record bug started biting. I'd say 4th pressing since 1A,B,C were first pressings (A to NJ, B to Indiana, C to CA) and so D,E,F, would be second press, G,H,I would be third and J,K,L would be fourth (etc.). I plan on making a home brew unit soon, $600 to do it right. Yes, its not as ethereally spacious, but it better layers and balances the instruments in my opinion and if you remain unconvinced that mono can produce three-dimensionality, this record will convince you. Conventional Wisdom fails the Reality Test. A further four lacquers BB, BG, AL and BH, take us up to the three-quarter mark of all stereo copies manufactured. If so, you bought a different version. No other letters were found. Enter the length or pattern for better results. (Note however there is potentially contradictory information come to light on manufacture of promo jackets. There are clusters around certain letters, for example 1AJ on Side 1 is found with Side 2 as 1AD, 1AE,1AF and 1AG. Unfortunately, the Kind of Blue mono master tape no longer exists. If you listen to this audio over numerous speakers, the identical call will be replicated to each of them. There was a reason why plants chose asymmetrical pairs, Side 1 and Side 2 stampers, deliberately from different lacquer sets. cwitt1980, 2 minutes ago. Macero wasn't even in the same time zone during the second KoB session; he was in LA producing Dave Brubeck's Gone With The Wind, his first production. They're very impressive for mono recordings. Kind of Blue mono promo jacket codes 2 (NY), 4 and 6 (IN). 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In all likelihood they simply canned the misprinted labeland replaced it with a fresh print-run, as Macero requested. [TR24] [OF] Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (Mono) - 1959/2013 (Jazz) Has anyone compared the Sony's Miles reissues to MoFi's? Another great mono is Dave Bruebeck's "Jazz In The USA.". So when I read imbeciles claiming Columbia used it into the 1980s because some records sound "better" with it, I get a bit crazy (er). I caughtone seller claiming he had a 1A/1A in the auction headline which later in the description expanded to 1AC/1AE. Audiogon Discussion Forum Columbia/Sony Legacy CL-1355 (88883761031) 180g mono LP, Mixed by: Mark Wilder/Steve Berkowitz (this reissue), Mastered by: Ryan K. Smith at Sterling Sound, Over the past few Record Store Days Sony/Legacy has slowly been rolling out on 180g vinyl much of the Miles Davis catalog, mastered from original analog tapes. The Hollywood plant (located at 8723 Alden Drive from 1948) also closed some time in 64 when Santa Maria became fully operational., All lacquers cut are numberedin a standard matrix codeformat,stamped into the vinyl land lacquer between the grooves and label. Kind of Blue - Mono vs Stereo - Head-Fi Of all the large number of combinations of lacquer pairs, just two stand out as being symetrical: 1D/1D and 1J/1J. A mono cartridge should not be used to playback a stereo record unless the manufacturer states that it has both horizontal and vertical compliance; however, a stereo cartridge can easily . Epais comme un vinyl de pressage us. The two bonus tracks are of particular interest. :-). These recordings were made in what, '59? Once it's released, you can't go back (I am talking to you George Lucas). Some of these later re-releases from later generation mothers are better than others.and you may "prefer" the slower speed of the re-mastered "corrected" versions.you may "prefer" the re-mixed (terrible) versions as welljust know that they are not 100% the original intent of the artists involved. A plant didnt get the memo and carried on using old pre-correction labels. Give me a rest from dissecting records. You have no way of proving whether their opinion is biased or not and your own opinion of them possibly being biased could be claimed to be biased in itself. Unfortunaltely everyone is issuing the same LP's and no does a review comparing them all. ), Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. We know at least two sets of lacquers were sent to each plant, and possibly the offset was intended to distribute wear within lacquer sets. The mysteryis the missing lacquers the nextletters which never appear on any side of any monocopy of Kind of Blue: E, F, K andL. None appear in the auctions sampleor the reader survey. I've looked at the website and so far all I've learned is to find a local participating record store.